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[1+] Dewey added on Thu Jul 16 13:26:33 2015:

Okay, last request I make this week, honest.

So, when I roleplay Dewey, I want to make sure I don't say anything in passing (or continually talk about something over and over, for that matter) about the government setup which ends up getting retconned. I don't see anything on the wiki about how things might be set up, so I figured I might propose some guidelines in a job. Why, perhaps even this job. So, what do you think of:

  • The Fallcoast city council is made of 5 districts (also called wards).
  • Each councilor must be a resident of their own district (which just means holding property for at least one year, though there might be political backlash if they don't actually live there). Terms are 2 years with no limits.
  • The districts are heavily gerrymandered (so, RP-wise, a character can really live anywhere for any district), but the bulk of their outline is as follows (using the grid as a simplified model of the city): District 1- B01 Historic District and B03 University City. District 2- A01 Moosetown and B01 Historic Waterfront. District 3- C01 Hyacinth Ridge and the Fallcoast part of d01 Marina. District 4- C02 Commercial District. District 5- A02 Pigeon Hill. Again, those are rough outlines and any district is likely to contain elements of grid squares outside of those mentioned.
  • Dewey Dumas is the Councilor of the 3rd District.
  • The mayor is elected by general election to 4 year terms.
  • The next election, for both Council and Mayor, is in early 2016. Districts 1, 3, and 5 are elected on even-numbered years. 2 and 4 on odd numbers.
  • The mayor sets a budget for the council to approve or reject, but the council does not require mayoral signature on its ordinances. The mayor does, however, have a veto power which can be overturned via a 4/5ths majority of councilors.
  • All city departments are run under the supervision of the executive branch (the mayor's office).
  • Hanging Hills has a separate government to Fallcoast, run by a Board of Aldermen which hires the city administrator, who functions as a mayor, only without being elected (and being easily fired).
  • Hanging Hills' Board is composed of Aldermen-at-large (the town isn't divided into districts and all Aldermen are meant to represent the entire town) and are elected to 2 year positions to specific seats (1st Seat, 3rd Seat, etc). There are 5 Hanging Hills Aldermen and no term limits.
  • The Crow Hollow area and any islands fall outside of municipal jurisdictions and are administered by the county (whose seat is probably in Fallcoast?).


[2+] Dewey added on Thu Jul 16 13:54:59 2015:


  • By not requiring mayoral signature on ordinances, I mean that the mayor is not a typical element of the legislative process. The mayor's veto, of course, gives the office an effective sign-off power on every ordinance, but most mayors tend to use the power sparingly.
  • The Aldermen in Hanging Hills tend to be part-time officials with day jobs who just meet one night a week or so. The administrator they hire is responsible for the day-to-day work of running the town.

[3+] Dewey added on Thu Jul 16 15:20:08 2015: I'll just sneak in more thoughts here until the job gets assigned, hah.

  • Both the Fallcoast City Council and the Hanging Hills Board of Aldermen are presided over by a President of the Council (or Chief Alderman/woman) who is elected from among its members. This role is largely ceremonial- bringing the meetings to order, resolving procedure disputes, and so-forth, but the President also sets the agenda and thereby has the ability to squash ordinances they don't like by sticking them in awkward places in the calendar. The President is also the public face of the Council and is generally considered a good position for those with higher aspirations.
  • The current Fallcoast Council President is the District 1 Councilor, but Dewey (Ward 3) has an eye to take it at some point.

[6-] Wendigo added on Sat Jul 18 06:34:06 2015: I'm not sure what's going on in the job.

[7-] Lunargent added on Sat Jul 18 12:52:07 2015: I think he's just trying to get info on how politics in fallcoast and hanging hills are done, so that he's not talking out his ass when he rps about it, only to find out that he's been spreading misinformation because what he thought doesn't match what staff decided.

[9-] Hiraeth added on Mon Jul 27 05:10:55 2015: I think Luna is exactly right - so what is our Political structure?

[10+] Dewey added on Mon Jul 27 07:06:38 2015:

Seeing the activity flag on this in my myjobs suggests there might be staff chatter on it I can't see (or it might just be a job timeout thing), but it caused me to re-read my job and consider a few points. If there is staff-talk along similar or contradictory lines, obviously, just pretend I'm not here.

More thoughts:

  • Should a councilor die, retire, or otherwise be unable to fill their duties (via criminal conviction, illness, or by winning higher office), their seat is put up to a by-election. That is, there is a special election in their district to elect someone new. (RP-wise: this is so that anyone who wants a council-seat can get one by just moving an NPC out of the way.)
  • Should the same thing happen to the mayor, the President of the Council is made acting mayor until the end of the term and that council seat is up for election. (RP-wise: I just like the idea of someone worming their way into power via machination without having to earn it. But then, I would.)
  • No member of the Fallcoast or Hanging Hills governments are allowed to hold multiple elected posts simultaneously. If elected to others, they must resign from all but one of their positions.
  • When I talked about the requirement of owning property in the first job, I thought of that as an unfairness baked into the rules by an earlier age- and one which could be interesting to have a political fight about changing should someone without property want to run.
  • Like Hanging Hills, Fallcoast's council also hires a city administrator, called the City Manager, only this person works under the mayor as a sort of chief bureaucrat. This person is meant to work out the implementation of the policies of the mayor and council in concrete ways. (RP-wise: someone who knows how the actual mechanics of government work but has no interest in elections- and who might have more real power than all those elected positions combined, assuming they don't get fired.).
  • The city has various commissions and committees composed of combinations of city councilors, mayoral staffers, city department heads, and appointed members of the public. These groups are meant to create recommendations on policy for the mayor and council. (RP-wise: And are a way to create political RP between departments and letting citizen-characters into the process.)
  • The creation of the budget is a complex process and while the yearly budget is officially proposed by the mayor (and then approved or amended and sent back to the mayor by the Council to back-and-forth several times), the real work of its creation is by a budget committee whose recommendations turn into the mayor's final proposal. (RP-wise: And these are all the real powers behind the throne- all the policy bureaucrats, influential department heads (like the head of the police department), and the city manager show up here.)
  • When describing the Fallcoast system of government and the Hanging Hills system. The Fallcoast system is called a "strong-mayor system" and Hanging Hills is a "council-manager" system.

Looking forward to hearing thoughts. By the way, I've been roleplaying the District 3 thing and an upcoming election, so if that's not kosher, be sure and yell at me. Thanks!

[11+] Dewey added on Mon Jul 27 07:15:41 2015:

One tweak:

  • It's a budget commission, not committee. If the mayor makes it, it's a commission, if the council does, committee.

[12+] Darwin added on Wed Jul 29 06:33:21 2015: Mail sent to Dewey:

Hello Dewey. I've volunteered to do something about government (and university) so I'll get cracking on it. Thanks for your suggestions and we shall chat about it.

[13+] Dewey added on Wed Jul 29 16:26:23 2015:

Sounds good, give me a shout anytime. If you want to see how I've been roleplaying how the government works so far, the main two examples are the TWTWTW that you ran and a log with Francis: . I also popped some ideas about how the various district councilors might lean politically on my wiki ( ), but they're only vaguely alluded to in RP, so far. I've also avoided the mention of any political party (merely "The Party") in case you wanted to keep RL politics out of it. That said, Dewey could easily be either a fiscally-conservative democrat or a socially-liberal republican, and the same ambiguity goes for all the NPCs he's mentioned. I figure, local politics tends to be about more definite issues than big party ideologies, so it doesn't really matter so much unless they go for higher office.

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[1+] Soraya added on Thu Jul 30 15:14:26 2015: HI! So with regards to University Status, are we keeping the same one from TR? If so, I recommend dropping the Science AND Academics standard and moving it to an "or" state - I think that an English Lit professor isn't necessarily going to be deeply adept at Chemstry (as much as he might like it).

[4+] Darwin added on Fri Jul 31 00:39:14 2015: Mail sent to Soraya:

That seems fair, Soraya. And, yes, the intention is to bring over the status from TR. It seemed to work. Any other suggestions, feel free to keep them coming :) Thanks.

[6+] Soraya added on Fri Jul 31 00:41:15 2015: I was thinking maybe Academics 3 + Relevant Field's Skill 3 (Science for Science, Occult or Academics for Folklore/Mythology, Crafts for Scultping, etc) for Professors. 2+2 For grad students. :) this way it's a bit more reflective and prevents a professor of Drama from having 0 expression :)

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